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| Dale Taylor |
i would like to install a 78 vw bus 2.0l into
my 71 914 1.7l. any help please on problems
i may come across?? |
| JP Noonan |
First off, WHY!!!
Seriously the 914 I own now was bought from a friend who had two different haeds on his
32/36 carbed 1.8. Instead of buying a rebuilt matching Porsche head to replace the cracked
VW head he bought a 78 2.0L bus motor. At the time even I didn't see the problem. Actually
his 1.8 was running so badly the bus motor might have been an inprovement. The first
problem is you will need the tin work from a 1.7 or 1.8 914. then you need a dip stick and
tube from a 914, a hole has to be drilled into the bus block to install the tube. Then you
need to block off the bus oil fill/dipstick because it will interfere withthe motor mount
bar(unless you own a 70-72 then it might work, I don't know) The Bus 2.0L has smaller
valves then a Porsche 1.8 I don't remember exactly what size. The pistons are dished for
lower compresion, the cam is for low end tourque to move a heavy bus, the injection from a
914 may not work with this cam. The skinny is that yes you can do it but I am almost
possitive that a badly running Porsche spec 1.7 will out perform a bus 2.0L. Not to metion
it will drop the value of your car. Try to find a 914 owner that up dated to a 2.0L
Porsche and buy their 1.7 or 1.8, you will be MUCH happier. Besides I have heard of 1.7
long blocks going for $100-$150. Talk to Wayne I'm sure he can locate someones "boat
anchor" for you. |
| Wayne at Pelican
Parts |
Really good, solid 1.7s and 1.8s are not that easy to come by. Most people upgrade to
the 2.0L after they find that they have had a problem with their original motor. Not too
many people pull a good working motor out of the car. There are exceptions, though.
Putting a bus motor in the 914 will work, and it's generally a very inexpensive solution.
I'm not familiar with the dipstick problems; the ones I've seen have the same exact
dipstick locations...
If you put some carbs on it, then you will have an inexpensive replacement motor, but
JP is right, the performance will be less than ideal, and the value of the car (at least
to someone who knows better) will plummet...
-Wayne |
| JP Noonan |
When I think back to my 72 1.7 parts car it may be that a bus motor will
"drop" in but...
I seem to remember the fan housing being different, not incompatable but different, and
the tin ware is totally off. If you look at the 914 block versus a bus block the casting
(sand casting I guess?) is identical. The difference is that a 1" hole is made in the
driver side case half to facilitate a filler and dipstick.
Another problem is the flywheel. I have no direct experence but from what I've read and
have heard from a friend who put a 914 2.0 in a Bug, the flywheels don't retro fit. It is
due to the teeth on the ring. The position is different, i.e. the starter will not engage.
A bus / type 411 flywheel has NO slash mark at TDC. While any 914 flywheel does. It is a
deep cut into the flywheel not like the little notches on the fan.
If you are dead set on the swap (maybe you already have the motor) first swap the motor
support bar and look for interference with the filler tube. The 2.0 bus motor I have seen
is a GA case and it might be a 76-79 I only assume it was a 78 because of other features.
If you do the swap remember that most bus motors are HYDRALIC lifters not SOLID. so you
have to do a different lash ajustment. It only takes one improper adjustment (like if you
have a garage do it for you and they use 914 specs) to "wipe" the lobes off the
cam.
My estimate of price was from the Pelican Nemisis in Atlanta. "They"
"assured" me they had lots of 1.7 engines sitting around taken from running
cars. If you follow other forums on the net you know by now that numerous people have had
unsatisfactory ( to say the least) experiences with " that place in Atlanta"
It might be a cheap fix to get the car running but if 914 owners wanted easy we wouldn't
own 914's. One place I know of, but they are far from cheap, is FAT Performance. They are
a machine shop in Calf. someplace. They do not specialize in 914's but their catalog lists
prices for "machine hole for dipstick" and "block off plates" for the
bus filler tube hole.
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| JP Noonan |
Once again here is my CORRECT e-mail.
JPNOONAN@WORLDNET.ATT.NET
Or just use the mail icon above.
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| Carl Somerlock |
I have a 74 1.8 motor in running condition I would sell for $150.00 plus shipping.
somerloccd@centum.utulsa.edu. |