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HomeTech Articles > Technical & Safety

Guest Technical Article:

Technical & Safety:
Distributor Troubles
Lee Rice

     The question came up about ignition problems. There seemed to be more than one Porsche owner that had to replace their ignition distributor because the advance was not working. I was asked is this normal and was there any way to fix the distributor.

     It seems to be a normal practice to replace ignition distributors when the internal parts do not work right. The advance mechanism is usually suspect as it is subject to a great deal of heat and high frequency vibration. The requirements of a ignition distributor are very demanding and the least little wear and imperfection will cause odd behaviors.

     The installation of, a new distributor will usually return your Porsche to crisp performance, but they are not cheap. A new distributor for a 911 SC costing $800- 1,100 and the 1980 928 over 1,300! The re-built ones cost about a third of that.

     So what usually goes wrong? I have removed, disassembled, cleaned, inspected, lubricated, reassembled, and reinstalled and timed many ignition distributors. My observation is that the grease in the rotor and stator plate becomes old, dries up, and the stator plate seizes. This will cause the vacuum retard-or vacuum advance (for cold start-up) to be ineffective as the distributor will be stuck in one position.

     I did a major service on a 930 Turbo with this problem. When the engine first started it wouldn’t idle at all. Finally the engine would burp and burbble up to something near running speed and as I accelerated the throttle a couple of times all of a sudden the engine accelerated to a high idle speed and stayed there with the throttle closed. Driving it was even more exciting as on one run it ran like a dog and the next run it accelerated very strong and "pinged" on boost. The culprit was a sticking rotor/stator plate. The normal cleaning and relubrication restored the engine to it’s normal silky smooth running. This particular problem with the sticking rotor/stator plate seems to be common in the 1978 and later 911/930. Maybe the lubrication wasn’t up to the demand of the emission requirements and the turbo heat.

     Once in a great while one of, the two, mechanical advance fly weight return springs breaks. The small and delicate bushings that fit over the fly weight spring retainers will break-thus reducing the springs tension and the advance will be too much for a given rpm. These problems can be repaired if you have the parts.

     The main reason to replace a distributor is for worn distributor shaft bushings. When the bushing wears out the rotor will fly out of it’s track and hit the distributor cap contractors. This can and eventually will break the distributor cap. The bushings can be replaced-if you can find them. If you are driving an old Porsche it would be a good idea to keep en eye open for a used distributor at the swap meets. You may find a perfectly good distributor but at least you will have some serviceable Darts.

     The choices for replacing or repairing are one of time and costs. I prefer the warranty re-built as long as the part numbers are the correct match. If the vacuum advance-retard units work correctly and the problem is old grease causing a sticky vacuum advance/retard, I wold have your distributor repaired, this shouldn’t cost much more than a hundred bucks.

     930 Turbos: When making timing adjustments to the 930 Turbo you should be aware that the large vacuum unit on the ignition distributor do three things that all need to work together. All turbos have a vacuum retard feature. This retards timing at idle only with the throttle fully closed. As soon as the throttle is opened this retard is gone and the timing advances.

     The second vacuum feature is on the opposite side of the vacuum unit. This vacuum is used to advance the timing for cold start and warm-up. This vacuum supply is controlled be a electric switch for (‘77-82) and by a thermal switch on the breather cover(’83-95). The third source is boost pressure. The 1978 California specification Turbo and all later ones require the high rpm timing check done at 4,000 rpm with the vacuum retard hose disconnected. This timing at 4,000 is taking into consideration that the vacuum unit is fully operational and at 0.5 bar boost it will retard the timing by 4-6 degrees. The workshop manuals do not give you a performance check of this, but I would recommend that this be checked. Especially if you encounter roughness and pinging when on boost. This will melt expensive things!


Lee Rice writes the monthly Technical & Safety column for the Orange Coast PCA (zone 8) Newsletter.  He has generously allowed Pelican Parts to republish these articles here for the benefit of everyone who visits the site.

Comments and Suggestions:
Porsche 914Comments: I have a '73 914 2.0 and I am trying to get it started after sitting in a barn for 18 years. I replaced the distributor rotor and am hoping that I put the new one on correctly. Inside the rotor there is a little triangle nub which I put in the notch of the cam. does this sound correct?
February 2, 2012
JohnComments: I have a 1980 911 with a 3.2 I'm not getting spark at spark plug. car will start and run beautifully then will die with no spark.......any ideas? how can I test coil.? Bentleys manual says to test coil but does not say how Many thanks John
November 27, 2011
weeliComments: the car is carrera 996 1998 .. engine ok everything just change and renew. wiring setting had been done.. but it still wont start..
August 11, 2011
weeliComments: how do you repair this when basically everything is going smooth but it wont start? starts only when fast injection?
August 11, 2011
TIMComments:
914 1974 PORSCHE 1.8 CANT GET FIRE==== FUEL PUMP RUNS AND IT TURNS OVER BUT NO SPARK. NEW COIL DID NOT HELP
July 24, 2011
JimbonesComments: Where is the distributor number on the Bosch unit in my '72 911? I want to be sure I order the right ignition parts, and don't see any numbers on the thing. Do I have to remove the distributor to see the number stamp? Thanks
March 23, 2011
 Followup from the Pelican Staff: It should be printed on the side, you might have to remove it to see the numbers, or you can use a flashlight and a small inspection mirror. - Wayne at Pelican Parts
BulldogComments: Hey,need a twin plug ignition system incluiding a twin plug distribuitor.Someone out ther,I need to have my distribuitior repair,is a 76 3.0 carrera ,right now timing is bouncing,can't drive this car ,thanks.
October 18, 2010
malcolmComments: need a vacuum advance can for 1980 911sc bosch distributer with dual vacuum lines
September 17, 2010
donComments: I just need to replace the distributor clamp on my distributor for my 1972 porsche 914. I have the clamp and the workshop manual. It tells me I have to remove the pin and use a vice, etc. Can I do that without a vice? I don't have one and I'm afraid to try. That's all I am concerned about. Can this be done by a court reporter with few tools?
September 11, 2010
 Followup from the Pelican Staff: I don't think that you need a vice, but you do need a method to hold it down. It might be a good time to buy a vice, they are pretty cheap at Sears and quite useful for around-the-house tasks. - Wayne at Pelican Parts
bob oComments: i purchaced a 71 914 which was fi trashed and now have the engin working. now, i need to get the rpm working can you help

bob
August 1, 2010
DanComments: I have a 1988 Turbo. Starts cold fine. When sitting in sun or running htough will start acting funny as if key is turned off and on. If pull over and or just turn off and start again problem goes away. Seems temp related whether in sun or running in hotter weather. I was wodnering if heard of a similar problem. I am thinking may be the distributer vacuum or more likely the temperature switch that goes to the distributer vacuum. The owners manual calls this a temperature switch. The other vacuum line in the diagram goes from dist vacuum to solenoid valve. Can you help and how do I find this part.
April 5, 2010
GrinderComments: I have 1973.5 911T with CIS. I just bought a Pertronix Ignitor from Pelican, installed, and now get no spark. Not sure I installed correctly. The installation instructions leave a great deal to be desired. I simply connected to red wire from the Pertronix to the wires that the points were connected to at the distributor, and connected the black wire from the Pertronix to ground since the voltage transformer coil has no negative bolt to connect to. Do you have a better diagram for me to ensure I have connected the wires correctly? Thanks for any help.
March 27, 2010
tt930Comments: Article question -
" So what usually goes wrong? I have removed, disassembled, cleaned, inspected, lubricated, reassembled, and reinstalled and timed many ignition distributors. My observation is that the grease in the rotor and stator plate becomes old, dries up, and the stator plate seizes. This will cause the vacuum retard-or vacuum advance for cold start-up to be ineffective as the distributor will be stuck in one position."
I would love to see some pics or diagram illustration as to how to service the distributor, any chance posting some step tp step picture guide ? or Video even !?
February 10, 2010
turbo 930Comments: I have a '78 930 that I can't start after rebuilding the dist. Forget to mark my position. Now I can't find number 1 plug. there are 3 notches on crankshaft pulley. there is a Z1 and another one next to it abt 5deg to the right and then 2 others somewhere. whats the best way to find the right one?
December 9, 2009
 Followup from the Pelican Staff: Do you have the 101 Projects book? The distributor wire mapping is in there... - Wayne at Pelican Parts
BC AutoComments: Have you ever completely disassembled the distributor in a 1978 911 targa. We were told that there are special tools needed to change the pickup coil in the distributor.

Thank you
October 19, 2009
 Followup from the Pelican Staff: There's a gear that's pressed onto the end of the shaft of the distributor, so you need a small press to completely disassemble the entire distributor, but I don't think there are any special tools required to get to the pickup? On the later 964 distributors, some of them are more difficult to take apart, maybe that person was slightly confused? - Wayne at Pelican Parts
BC AutoComments: Have you ever put a pick up coil in a 1978 911sc targa?
October 13, 2009
 Followup from the Pelican Staff: I'm sorry, I'm not sure what that is. Do you mean electronic, breakerless ignition? - Wayne at Pelican Parts
porsche911tComments: looking for some help ,dist. in 911t 69 . two wires red and black .bosch dist. needing a pic. or diagram for troubleshooting.
July 31, 2009
930 porscheComments: Do you have a schematic on the 1978 930? I just need to see where those 2 vacum line go to?

Thank you.
July 21, 2009

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