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HomeTech Articles > VDO Clock Repair

Pelican Guest Technical Article:

VDO Clock Repair


[Click on Photo] Foreward by Wayne:

     Demick Boyden has written us a fine article on how to repair your VDO clock.  The mechanisms from the various Porsche cars are very similar.  Although Demick speaks specifically of the 914, the VDO clocks that are used within the other Porsche models all share a similar mechanism, and the similar repair problems.  This article details the problems with the internal electrical solder connections that often fail.  There are a few other problems with the clocks that cannot be repared without special parts, such as new pendulum springs.  For clocks that need this additional repair, please contact Pelican Parts.


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Figure 1:
Two Different Clock Mechanisms
VDO Clock Repair

     There are two types of clocks styles available in the 914 that I am aware of. Both look identical from the front, but are easily differentiated from the rear and have very different mechanisms inside. Both are shown in Figure 1. In the spirit of VW, I will refer to the clock on the left as Type I and the clock on the right as Type II. To the best of my knowledge, the Type I clock is the earlier model, and the Type II clock replaced it in 1973.

     Comparing the two clocks, I like Type I much better. It is much easier to open up and you will have a much greater chance of successfully making repairs. Also, Type I has a way to externally adjust the speed at which the clock runs so you can dial it in to be quite accurate. Type II has a different clock mechanism which presumably eliminates the need for adjustment (since there is no external adjustment, although I believe there is an internal adjustment), but I have never had experience with an operating Type II clock so I cannot verify its accuracy.

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Figure 2:
Standard 3 Gauge Set on the 914

Type I

     The Type I clock has an easily removable rear cover. Three small nuts are all it takes to remove the rear cover (you may need to break the small plastic that goes around these nuts if the clock has never been opened up before). Inside you will find a series of gears and a coil and a couple of springs (Figure 2). There is a steel disk about ¾" in diameter near the rear end of the clock which has an electrical contact mounted under it. When this electrical contact is closed, current is sent to the coil which spins the steel disk around about ½ turn. This is how the clock is wound. The disk is spring loaded and will slowly over the course of about 3-4 minutes return to its original position - operating the clock as it goes around. When the contacts close again, the process starts all over again. For this reason, this clock only uses power for a fraction of a second every 3-4 minutes. You can turn the disk manually and see how this all works. The rest of clock works like a regular clock with all of the gears, etc.

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Figure 3:
Standard 3 Gauge Set on the 914
     This clock has a built-in fuse, which is what is normally the cause of this clock not working. Right next to the coil is a set of metal tabs which should be soldered together (Figure 3). If your clock is not working, chances are that these two tabs are no longer soldered. The process to repair it is simple: resolder the connection. To do this correctly, you need to use a low temperature solder (specification is solder with a fusing point of 120C or 248F). Where to find this? I don’t really know. I had some low temperature solder laying around which came in strips and was designed to be wrapped around a wire and then melted with a match. It never worked good like that, but it worked fine in this application (minus the match). I don’t know what the actual fusing point of this solder was though. Using regular solder is an option that will work fine, but someday your clock will really get fried because this fuse didn’t melt like it was supposed to and you will not be able to repair it. The choice is up to you. Also, when you solder the two tabs together, be sure that the top tab is pulled down (so it is spring loaded) to meet the other tab and then soldered. Don’t try to bridge the large gap because this spring loading is what helps to separate the tabs when the fuse melts. Note: The solder job shown is Figure 3 is NOT done correctly for exactly this reason (big blob of solder bridging the gap)

     Well, that’s about it! Put the rear cover back on and plug it in. Adjustment of the clock speed is made by the small slotted screw which protrudes through the rear cover. Counter-clockwise goes faster. Best that I can tell, each 1/8 of a turn affects the clock by about 5 minutes per day.

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Figure 4:
Standard 3 Gauge Set on the 914

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Figure 5:
Standard 3 Gauge Set on the 914

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Figure 6:
Standard 3 Gauge Set on the 914

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Figure 7:
Standard 3 Gauge Set on the 914


Type II

     Getting inside the Type II clock is a bit more difficult. Just like most all of the other 914 instrumentation, it involves using a sharp object (small screwdriver, chisel, etc) and carefully prying around the outside of the outer face ring. This part is a real pain. You will have to pry the formed flange up for at least ½ of the way around the clock, and then remove the clock ring and glass from the rest of the canister. Now it is time to remove the guts of the clock from the canister: remove the 3 screws from the rear surface of the clock and unsolder the ground connection (Figure 4). The guts of the clock should now slide out (Figure 5).

     Once open, you will notice that the inside looks quite different from the Type I clock. This clock is run by an electric motor rather than a spring loaded disk wound by a coil. The most common failure with this type of clock is a damaged gear. In my case, it was a gear whose support shaft had broken. In order to fix this shaft, I wanted to separate the PCB portion of the clock from the gear portion (shown separated in Figure 6). This is possible to do given the following: Remove the obvious screw which holds the PCB on, and unsolder the two posts which are arrowed in Figure 7. These two posts are how the electrical connection is made to the electric motor. If you do not unsolder these posts, the PCB is still very easy to remove, but your clock will never work again. The posts will come out with the PCB, but the very fine wires which go into the motor will break and there is no way to re-connect them (I know, I’ve tried - that’s why the motor in Figure 7 is partially cut open). With the PCB removed, you can get access to do the gear repair. In my clock, I did the gear repair very carefully with epoxy, and then found out on re-assembly about the broken wires - but I am confident that the repairs would have worked had I not broken the wires.

     Re-assembly is just the reverse of this process. Test the clock before putting it completely back together (that face ring is really a pain - you don’t want to do it twice). Also, note in Figure 6 that there is an adjustment pot mounted to the PCB. I believe that this pot is the clock speed adjustment and it is not accessible except by clock dis-assembly.

     That’s about all of the tips that I have, so good luck in your 914 clock repairs! There are not all that many 914 clocks that still work. Maybe with this information, there will soon be a few more....

Comments and Suggestions:
airbilComments: As stated; general failure is the two capacitors. $1.79 at radio shack # 272-1028.
Gently pry clock for 911 dash with cloth cover flat screwdriver.
Even more gently, bezel must be pryed back from housing. Start with small screw driver and progress to larger one.
Remove the screws on back of housing. De-solder the ground and the clock mechanism will come out.
HAVE a good soldering iron and good soldersilver.
Pay attention to the + and - orientaion on the PCB board and new capacitors. Only negative - is marked on each if I recall.
Also inspect the gears all the traces on the PCB. Small wires can be soldered to from point to point to reconnect broken traces.
Take your time. Remember; brown wire is ground, black is power.
The clock may last forever now.
Tick, tock on !.. MacDuff.
April 10, 2012
MinhComments: My clock from 73 450SL with two nuts in the back. How do I remove the housing? Pulling the housing back is very difficult and I'm afraid of breaking it.
March 20, 2012
ArnoldComments: How is clock removed from center console to repair or replace?
March 15, 2012
Don TComments: On the VDO clock Type II, what is the number for the replacement bulb?

Also, is there an LED that can be used in place of the bulb, if so what is the number? Thanks...Don T
December 31, 2011
nigelComments: Do you have a 1986 Porsche 944 digital clock replacement or repair option.Still working but heat has upset display and maybe requiring a new bulb as well.
December 4, 2011
mickytComments: Do you know where i can get a replacement glass ?
October 16, 2011
PBC914Comments: I am able to spin the gear that is driven by the motor. The gears aren't the problem but the motor is. Can the motor be replaced?
August 19, 2011
MarcW108Comments: Just an update on my previous post. After making many tiny adjustments to my Type I clock, it is now running acceptably accurate. The clock is loosing about 1 minute every 2 weeks!
April 28, 2011
Donald TComments: I just changed the clock on my '68 912. The original clock is similar, but not identical, to the type 1 clock. It was a bit more difficult to remove as it was held into place by a couple of knurled brackets that must be unscrewed from the trunk. I replaced the clock with a later model but very similar quartz VDO clock. Keeps perfect time! Comment: after soldering the burnt fuse it might be wise to put an inline fuse to the power line. Much easier to replace and it should prevent a burned out clock.
April 5, 2011
MarcW108Comments: I have a working Type I clock and am in the process of getting it to keep time accurately. On Day 0, I set the correct time, on Day 2, the clock was accurate "to the second" from what I could tell at least within 1 minute. On Day 5, the clock is 2.5 minutes ahead. Is there an explanation for this? I am using my iPhone to check the time; the iPhone gets time updates from the network, which haftsuchscheinwerfer would think to be accurate. Has anyone experienced the same and know what to do about it?
March 22, 2011
 Followup from the Pelican Staff: It's a mechanical device, and these things were never super accurate to begin with. There is an adjustment screw in there so that you can adjust whether it runs faster or slower. However, I've found in the past that messing with the screw and trying to adjust the clock is a nearly impossible task. - Wayne at Pelican Parts
fdonnieComments: i have had 11 porsche's and the best advice is to replace clock with a quartz clock. pull guage out to the left of clockmuch easier to accessput rubber thin glove on,so you dont cut yourself on metal. good look DONNIE
March 16, 2011
amt230Comments: Great article. I pulled my "type I" clock and found that the fuse was blown. But, when I manually wind the disc, it does not run, even for the few minutes that it should before it would need to electrically rewind itself. Do I need to clean? Where and with what? Thanks!
March 11, 2011
 Followup from the Pelican Staff: I would just clean the heck out of everything. These are pretty precise clocks - if you can't get it to work without damaging it, then a clock repair shop should be able to get it to work for not too much money. - Wayne at Pelican Parts
JanComments: Opened up my 74 clock which is a Type 2. Everything looks good, except the miniature electrolytic capacitor driving the motor.That is the little blue can near the motor on the PC board. Looked like it had separated. Back then, they were notoriously unreliable. Replaced it and the clock is back in business. Replaced the other can while it is open. FWIW it is an AC motor. Drive is 60 Hz and about 6V. Draws about 13mA overall in operation.
Does not have the SCL5419AE, so I cannot help with the resistor question.
Jan
January 12, 2011
BjornComments: Hi, I have a VDO clock from a Porsche 911 from 1977, similar to the type2 from this article. It's bigger and has a different motor construction. I have a question concerning the electronics schematic. My clock is using a chip, named SCL5419AE, a crystal oscillator, 2 capacitors and one resistor. The resitor burned out, the color coding is unreadable. Does anyone know either the resistance to use or perhaps where to find the datasheet for the chip?
Thanks, Bjorn
January 9, 2011
 Followup from the Pelican Staff: I've never seen what you're describing, I would ask this question on our 911 Forums: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/ - Wayne at Pelican Parts
michaeltComments: My plastic housing has only two nuts and will not come off; the front arms move back when I pull on the housing
October 27, 2010
 Followup from the Pelican Staff: I would try to remove the outer chrome ring and see if you can get to the mechanism that way. I think I had one clock in the past that I took apart that had to be disassembled this way. - Wayne at Pelican Parts
moggyComments: Hi can some one help me with my VDO clock it's out of a T2 VW Campervan. It was working and it just stoped. I have a live feed.

Thanks Brian
October 4, 2010
csimeonComments: Here you mention that it is easily pulled forward and out. Yet in the forum I read [QUOTE=RSTarga;5236556]If your car is newer than 1970 , just pull it out.[/QUOTE]

What if it's earlier? :confused:
Mine 1969 car won't fit out the front. I have removed the rubber ring and it's loose, you can pry it out about 1/2" and then something butt's up from the back against the dashboard.

Heeelp??
September 28, 2010
CZComments: I just removed mine from my 1968 911L. Before taking it apart I put it on my bench and tried powering it from a 12 volt regulated power supply, adjusted to 1a max. The clock promptly made the little "clunk" and started right up.

Inspecting it more closely I can see the positive connector is pretty dirty copper. My guess is after 41 years in the car, year after year, the copper oxidizes enough to make a bad connection.

So I'll let it run for a day, adjust the time if needed, clean the connectors, and put it back in. Should solve the problem for another 30 years or so.
June 5, 2010
 Followup from the Pelican Staff: There's also one or two connections on the inside that tend to become unsoldered over the years. - Wayne at Pelican Parts
RogerComments: I have 3 clocks which Iremoved from a Leyland P76 having reattached one clock worked for a couple of hrs .Ihave took the top off and cleaned the wheelno luck . please advice .thank you
January 26, 2010
eddieComments: do you know who will fix one of the type 2 clocks???'
December 12, 2009
 Followup from the Pelican Staff: It's usually a loose soldered connection. Palo Alto Speedo and Hollywood Speedometer both repair these. - Wayne at Pelican Parts
DanielComments: Hi, it's Daniel again. I spoke too soon. My clock ran fine for about 4 hours then stopped and will not run on its own again? Do you have any suggestions? I thought maybe some of the fuse solder got into the mechanism but it all went round 3-4 times okay. I'm not sure what to do next. I look forward to your suggestions. Thanks Daniel
September 28, 2009
 Followup from the Pelican Staff: Try cleaning the contacts on the "automatic winder" mechanism. These clocks can be very finicky and difficult to get quite right. - Wayne at Pelican Parts
DanielComments: Very reassuring notes, my 1971 300SEL Merc keeps time again. There was enough solder left to repair the fuse. The mechanism was a bit tight and would stop but I just kept it going manually for a few mins and it freed up enough. All the gauges are VDO the speedo needed to be repaird also. Thanks
daniel
September 26, 2009
DavidComments: How difficult is it to remove a clock on a 1977 911 that has failed and replace it with a rebuilt unit?
June 26, 2009
 Followup from the Pelican Staff: Very easy. Just get your fingernails under the rubber seal and pull out the clock. Then disconnect the light bulbs and electrical connections from the rear. On a scale of one to ten with ten being the hardest, this is about a .5 - Wayne at Pelican Parts
pjp4Comments: Hi, This is of great help to me as I did not know how to get the clock opened. Anyway, my clock has been broken due to high voltage spike. Would you know what IC is used on the clock PCB, please? Also, would you have some article on RPM meter disassembly and repair? Cheers, Peter
May 13, 2009
 Followup from the Pelican Staff: Shoot, sorry that's out of my scope of knowledge. - Wayne at Pelican Parts

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