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HomeTech Articles > CIS Pop Off Valve Installation

Guest Pelican Technical Article:

CIS Pop Off Valve Installation

Difficulty Level 3

Difficulty scale:
Adding air to your tires is level one
Rebuilding a 911 Motor is level ten

Bob Tindel
bob@pelicanparts.com


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Figure 1:
Pop-Off Valve Location

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Figure 2:
Setting Template

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Figure 3:
Marking Center of Hole

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Figure 4:
Drilling Hole

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Figure 5:
Drilling Hole

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Figure 6:
Pop-off Valve Hole Drilled

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Figure 7:
Test Fitting Pop-Off Valve

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Figure 8:
Applying Epoxy to Valve

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Figure 9:
Applying Epoxy to Airbox

[The pictures in this article are of an airbox that was removed from the engine for clarity in illustration. It is not necessary, nor recommended, to remove the airbox for this procedure.]

     The pop-off valve, which is also called a backfire protection valve, is a good modification for 911s with the Continuous Injection System (CIS). In the event of a backfire, which is not uncommon with these cars, the force can crack the airbox. A cracked airbox will prevent the engine from starting, as it creates a massive intake vacuum leak. The airbox is expensive, and takes several hours of labor to install. Replacement of the airbox at a Porsche dealer can easily top $1,000. The pop-off valve allows backfire pressure to escape harmlessly through the air intake. This easy modification will protect your 911 airbox from costly damage.

     The pop-off valve kit includes the valve and a drilling template. You will also need a two-inch hole saw, a right-angle drill, and special epoxy adhesive. In choosing the hole saw, one with a long pilot drill, or one that is adjustable if preferable. If the pilot drill is too short, the hole saw teeth will contact the ribs in the air box floor first making drilling more difficult.

     To begin installation, remove the air filter. Carefully position the template in the bottom of the airbox, and drill the hole. (Figure 1) Note that the arrow on the template should be centered on the screw, regardless of whether the template touches the left wall of the airbox. (Figure 2) You may wish to mark the center of the hole to be drilled (Figure 3), and drill a smaller pilot hole to prevent the hole saw from moving around. (Figure 4) Make sure you hold the drill bit vertical while drilling the hole. (Figure 5)

     Vacuum the plastic chips from the airbox, and from the hole as best you can. Any tiny chips left will be drawn into the cylinders and burned. (Figure 6)

     Test fit the valve into the hole. (Figure 7) It may be too large initially. If so, lightly sand the valve to reduce its circumference until it is a snug fit, and can be pushed all the way down, flush against the ribs in the bottom of the airbox. Once you are satisfied with the fit, take the valve back out, and proceed to glue it in place.

     Ensure that the area around the hole in the airbox in clean, and free from any oil or gas. Mix the epoxy well, and apply it to the lower part of the circumference of the valve, where it will seat in the airbox. (Figure 8) Apply a thin coat of epoxy to the inside edge of the hole in the airbox as well. (Figure 9) Install the valve into the airbox, rotating it slightly to ensure that the epoxy is spread completely around the valve. Note that the hinge of the valve must be oriented on the side nearest and parallel to the rear bumper. (Figure 7 again) Put a tiny dab of epoxy on each end of the valve hinge pin to ensure it does not come loose.

     Let the epoxy cure for at least 24 hours. Make sure that the valve can be opened, the O-ring is seated, and that the spring holds the valve closed properly. Reinstall the air filter, and you are ready for driving your car without worry of backfire damage.

     When you do the routine maintenance on your car, it is a good idea to inspect the O-ring in the pop-valve to ensure that it is in good condition.


A random customer added:

A tip, for your tip catalogue? I was having hot start problems , and I found that my popoff valve "o" ring was not seated well in the slot (inside air box) and was allowing a vacume leak, hence , no start, but would start well cold with the help of the cold start valve, kinda wierd , but thought I'd pass it on anyway

Comments and Suggestions:
Tim GComments: I must be seeing this the wrong way. If pressure builds up in the air box after a back fire, how could the valve open? It seems to be installed backwards.
December 22, 2011
 Followup from the Pelican Staff: The top where the valve is in the air cleaner. A backfire is just that - an explosion that goes "back" through the system. So, it would backfire up through the box. The valve is indeed shown properly installed in the photos. Hope this helps. - Wayne at Pelican Parts
AlanComments: Quick note - make sure you install your valve facing the correct direction see the instructions and make sure to seal it completely. We repaired a 911 last summer that had a valve installed backwards - the valve would pop open and then catch on the air filter. The car would go super-lean and die. In order to get the car fired again you had to open the airbox so the valve would spring closed!

Additionally, the valve was barely sealed in, with huge vacuum leaks around it - meaning the car was running leaner than it should be. This valve had been installed by a Porsche dealership near here years ago and the car apparently never ran right since. It's run properly since the repair was redone properly thanks to Pelican providing us with a new valve.
December 6, 2011
2porscheguyComments: My 1980 911SC Targa has an aftermarket BAE-Rajay turbocharger kit installed but has the standard airbox. Do I still need to install a pop-off valve to protect the airbox?
June 8, 2011
Austin911SCComments: A series of violent backfire events have damaged my pop-off in the area of the hinge-pin. Any ideas for breaking the damaged one loose so that a fresh one can be re-installed?
Naturally, I don't want to remoe the airbox from the car.
November 15, 2010
 Followup from the Pelican Staff: I would gently cut the old one out with a saw by breaking it into a few pieces. You certainly don't want to accidentally crack your airbox by using too much force trying to remove the valve. - Wayne at Pelican Parts
CARLOSQ Comments: THANKS A LOT GUYS
June 17, 2010
CARLOS QUIROSComments: HI FROM COSTA RICA

VERY NICE COMMENTS, BUT SOMEBODY CAN EXPLAIN ME THE CAUSE OF THAT FAILURE
June 15, 2010
 Followup from the Pelican Staff: It usually happens when there is a backfire in the engine. A backfire can be caused by a whole host of things, including a bad distributor cap, to putting on the ignition wires incorrectly. - Wayne at Pelican Parts
Charlie V.Comments: Question: The pictures show the airbox base removed from the car to install the backfire valve, but the directions imply that the work is/ can be performed on the car. Please clarify. Thank you
May 10, 2010
 Followup from the Pelican Staff: At the top of the article, we have a note written in somewhat smaller type: [The pictures in this article are of an airbox that was removed from the engine for clarity in illustration. It is not necessary, nor recommended, to remove the airbox for this procedure.] - Wayne at Pelican Parts
don gilbertComments: I have put a lot of these in, and have had better results from using urathane windshield sealer instead of epoxy. Ive had a few come loose with epoxy, even with extra attenion paid to prep.
April 20, 2010
Louis SComments: These instuctions were perfect except that no one addressed the fact that the air box on the '80 through '83 911SC is modified from the earlier years. In '80 an internal metal manifold was added to the air box. This manifold routed the fuel mist from the cold start valve to the inputs of each air runner to better distribute this mist to each individual cylinder. Prior to this, the cold start valve sprayed fuel into the open intake manifold part of the airbox. When using the 2" hole saw, care must be taken or the centering bit will penetrate the metal manifold. The manifold resides only about 3/8" below the underside of the air box.

Instructions for this procedure were consulted on this web site, in the "101 projects for your 911" book, in Up-Fixin der Porsche vol IX, and the instructions from the manufacturer, Weltmeister. No one mentioned this problem. Not sure how this will affect engine start, but hopefully won't be significant.
March 3, 2010
kevin vComments: What is the best epoxy to use brand name to fix the pop off valve in position
April 27, 2009
 Followup from the Pelican Staff: I think a standard hardware store extra strength epoxy would do the trick. I've used that before with excellent results. Loctite is a great brand, I've also used Devcon with good success too. - Wayne at Pelican Parts

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